{"id":117,"date":"2012-08-29T14:16:00","date_gmt":"2012-08-29T14:16:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/paulgcurran.com\/skepticalstats\/?p=117"},"modified":"2012-08-29T14:16:00","modified_gmt":"2012-08-29T14:16:00","slug":"3-out-of-4-doctors-confirm-5-hour-energy-contains-atoms","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/paulgcurran.com\/skepticalstats\/?p=117","title":{"rendered":"3 out of 4 doctors confirm: 5-hour energy contains atoms"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>&#8220;We asked over 3,000 doctors to review 5-hour energy.&nbsp; And what they said is amazing.&nbsp; Over 73% who reviewed 5-hour energy said they would recommend a low-calorie energy supplement to their healthy patients who use energy supplements.&nbsp; 73%.&nbsp; 5-hour energy has four calories, and is used over 9 million times a week.&nbsp; Is 5-hour energy right for you?&nbsp; Ask you doctor.&nbsp; We already asked 3,000.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Remember that line about lies, damn lies, and statistics?&nbsp; Well, it&#8217;s people like the folks over at 5-hour energy marketing department that keep people believing in it.&nbsp; Because what they say in their most recent commercial is actually quite brilliant, and probably fools many more people than any of us are willing to admit.<\/p>\n<p>I have no gripe about 5-hour energy, mind you.&nbsp; I don&#8217;t use it, but I have tried it in the past (got a free sample somewhere long ago).&nbsp; The taste wasn&#8217;t good or bad enough to be memorable, and I guess I had some extra energy for a little while?&nbsp; Hard to remember, it certainly wasn&#8217;t anything magical or more than you&#8217;d get from a small cup of coffee or a quick jog around the block.<\/p>\n<p>Back to the commercial.&nbsp; What does this commercial tell us, and what does this commercial *try* to tell us?<\/p>\n<p>The second part is easy.&nbsp; The commercial is trying to get one thing to stick in your head as you&#8217;re standing at the store in front of a 5-hour energy display.&nbsp; That one thing is 73%, and what they&#8217;re hoping gets stuck is that 73% of doctors (out of 3,000; so 2,190) recommend 5-hour energy.&nbsp; With the commercial fresh in your memory, that&#8217;s obviously not true.<\/p>\n<p>The first big misdirection here is a old-fashioned bait and switch.&nbsp; On TV, time is (literally) money.&nbsp; There is a reason that &#8216;low-calorie energy supplement&#8217; keeps getting tossed around despite the time it takes to say.&nbsp; It&#8217;s because the question to which doctors responded at 73% isn&#8217;t *about* 5-hour energy.&nbsp; The question is about &#8216;a low-calorie energy supplement&#8217;.&nbsp; The people setting up this survey know that they&#8217;re more likely to get agreement to a vague idea rather than to a specific product.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s simple:<br \/>A) 73% of doctors would recommend low-calorie energy supplements<br \/>B) 5-hour energy is a low-calorie energy supplement<br \/>Hence: 73% of doctors would recommend 5-hour energy<\/p>\n<p>Unfortunately, there&#8217;s a pretty decent leap there.&nbsp; Let&#8217;s treat this as a math problem with fairness going to 5-hour energy whenever possible.&nbsp; What we can gain from this that 73% of doctors would recommend *some* low-calorie energy supplement, of which 5-hour energy is.&nbsp; At absolute best, 73% are thinking about 5-hour energy, but some are likely thinking of something else, let&#8217;s say at least 1%.&nbsp; We can take from this, then, that less than 73% of doctors would recommend 5-hour energy.<\/p>\n<p>That&#8217;s not it, though, because we&#8217;re actually also being bait and switched *with the first bait and switch*.&nbsp; There&#8217;s another bait and switch in there that you&#8217;ve also probably noticed by now: &#8220;healthy patients who use energy supplements&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>The question is worded in such as way that they are not only asking about healthy patients, but also about those healthy patients who already use energy supplements.&nbsp; Let&#8217;s set up a contingency table, shall we?<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<table border=\"0\" cellpadding=\"0\" cellspacing=\"0\" style=\"width: 467px;\">\n<colgroup>\n<col style=\"mso-width-alt: 3181; mso-width-source: userset; width: 65pt;\" width=\"87\"><\/col>\n<col style=\"mso-width-alt: 6070; mso-width-source: userset; width: 125pt;\" width=\"166\"><\/col>\n<col style=\"mso-width-alt: 7826; mso-width-source: userset; width: 161pt;\" width=\"214\"><\/col>\n<\/colgroup>\n<tbody>\n<tr height=\"17\" style=\"height: 12.75pt;\">\n<td height=\"17\" style=\"height: 12.75pt; width: 65pt;\" width=\"87\"><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 125pt;\" width=\"166\">Takes energy supplements<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 161pt;\" width=\"214\">&nbsp;Does not take energy supplements<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr height=\"17\" style=\"height: 12.75pt;\">\n<td height=\"17\" style=\"height: 12.75pt;\">Healthy<\/td>\n<td>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; O<\/td>\n<td>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; X <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr height=\"17\" style=\"height: 12.75pt;\">\n<td height=\"17\" style=\"height: 12.75pt;\">Non-healthy<\/td>\n<td>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; X<\/td>\n<td>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; X<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>Before we continue, place yourself on this table.&nbsp; Got it?&nbsp; Good.&nbsp; If you&#8217;ve landed on an X, this study and commercial is not about you, and you should not pay attention to any of the information in it.&nbsp; You should treat this the same way as if you heard that tobacco smoking was linked to longevity in individuals over 105 years old who are Australian.&nbsp; You shouldn&#8217;t start smoking because of that, unless you&#8217;re over 105 (and Australian).<\/p>\n<p>What portion of the population is healthy?&nbsp; I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;d get too many arguments if I said that at most, 70% of the population is (because it is almost certainly less than that, and we&#8217;re trying to be overly fair to 5-hour energy).&nbsp; Of healthy people, how many of them already take energy supplements?&nbsp; Again, let&#8217;s aim overly high and say 70% of healthy people take energy supplements.&nbsp; That means that in the above table 70% of 70% (49%, which we can just round to 50% for the sake of simplicity) of patients are the patients that are actually being talked about.<\/p>\n<p>So, from the talking part of the commercial, less than 73% of doctors would recommend 5-hour energy for less than half of their patients (and probably not you).&nbsp; <\/p>\n<p>There are also some smaller points, like the fact that 5-hour energy being taken 9 million times a week has no bearing on any of the other information, and is actually working somewhat as a diversionary tactic, but let&#8217;s move on to another interesting part: the small print.&nbsp; There&#8217;s&#8230;a lot of it.<\/p>\n<p>Small print slide 1:<br \/>Two self-reporting surveys were conducted to determine the opinions of primary care physicians regarding energy supplements and 5-hour energy: 1) an online survey of 503 participants (who were paid $15) for their participation); and 2) an in-person survey by 5-hour energy representatives of 2,500 participants (50% of those approached).&nbsp; In both, participants agreed to review materials regarding 5-hour energy consisting of label and basic description of its ingredients.&nbsp; Of the 503 online and 2,500 in-person, 73% said they would recommend a low calorie energy supplement to their healthy patients who use energy supplements.<\/p>\n<p>First off, thank you, DVR.&nbsp; There&#8217;s a lot of information here.&nbsp; The first thing that jumps out at me is that they didn&#8217;t ask 3,000 doctors like they said in the commercial, they *surveyed* 3,000 doctors.&nbsp; That may seem like a small semantic thing, but it&#8217;s pretty important.&nbsp; They asked 5,500 doctors, and 3,000 decided not to blow them off immediately.&nbsp; Now, that&#8217;s not too awful, as response rates vary dramatically in these types of surveys, and I guess there&#8217;s not a whole lot of ways they could put this out there other than tossing it in one of their small print blocks.&nbsp; Still, something to watch for.&nbsp; Along with a number of other blocks of small print.<\/p>\n<p>Small print slide 2:<br \/>Of the 73% of primary care physicians who would recommend a low calorie energy supplement to their healthy patients who use energy supplements, 56% would specifically recommend 5-hour energy for their healthy patients who use energy supplements.<\/p>\n<p>Ah, so there&#8217;s the actual number.&nbsp; Oh wait, they&#8217;re still pulling the wool over on you.&nbsp; It&#8217;s not that 56% of doctors would specifically recommend 5-hour energy, it&#8217;s that 56% *of* 73% would.&nbsp; That number is just slightly over 40%; less than half of doctors would specifically recommend 5-hour energy to less than half of the population (healthy people who already take energy supplements).&nbsp; Much less impressive than 73%, isn&#8217;t it?&nbsp; Makes sense they&#8217;d want to spruce things up a bit.<\/p>\n<p>Small print slide 3: Of all primary care physicians surveyed, 47% would specifically recommend 5-hour energy for their healthy patients who use energy supplements.<\/p>\n<p>Hmmmmmm.&nbsp; That&#8217;s not the number I came up with based on the information they gave in the *immediately prior slide*, and it&#8217;s unclear how this number should differ.&nbsp; Oh well, let&#8217;s just say less than half of doctors. <\/p>\n<p>As I went back to make sure I didn&#8217;t miss anything, it turns out that I did.&nbsp; I&#8217;m going to call it small print block 0, as it came before the block I called 1 before.&nbsp; This one goes by *fast*<\/p>\n<p>Small print slide 0:<br \/>All doctors surveyed identified themselves as primary care physicians.&nbsp; <\/p>\n<p>Primary care physicians weren&#8217;t even verified to be primary care physicians.&nbsp; They were simply doctors looking for $15.&nbsp; The wording doesn&#8217;t even imply that they&#8217;re medical doctors.&nbsp; Oh well.&nbsp; Close enough. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&#8220;We asked over 3,000 doctors to review 5-hour energy.&nbsp; And what they said is amazing.&nbsp; Over 73% who reviewed 5-hour energy said they would recommend a low-calorie energy supplement to their healthy patients who use energy supplements.&nbsp; 73%.&nbsp; 5-hour energy has four calories, and is used over 9 million times a week.&nbsp; Is 5-hour energy &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/paulgcurran.com\/skepticalstats\/?p=117\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">3 out of 4 doctors confirm: 5-hour energy contains atoms<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-117","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/paulgcurran.com\/skepticalstats\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/117","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/paulgcurran.com\/skepticalstats\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/paulgcurran.com\/skepticalstats\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/paulgcurran.com\/skepticalstats\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/paulgcurran.com\/skepticalstats\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=117"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/paulgcurran.com\/skepticalstats\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/117\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/paulgcurran.com\/skepticalstats\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=117"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/paulgcurran.com\/skepticalstats\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=117"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/paulgcurran.com\/skepticalstats\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=117"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}